![]() And I think we wanted to see an amiable parting of the ways. I think most of us long time fans loved Dan as much as John. I felt the users were pretty much given the finger. I enjoyed the 5by5 The Talk Show immensely. But I’m curious: did you enjoy the older versions of the show? Jay: You didn’t say anything about what you didn’t like. So, give the new Talk Show a try, won’t you?ħ6 Responses to “The Talk Show With John Gruber” John literally can’t go wrong if these folks are representative of the stature of future guests. Much to my delight, the episode turned out to feature one of my favorite “internet stars,” Mr. The Talk Show Episode #2: Dare I Say, Kubrick? ![]() I enjoyed it so much, I decided to co-sponsor this week’s episode, along with my good friends from Bare Bones Software: Episode 1 featured John Moltz of Crazy Apple Rumors fame, and the two delved into all the kinds of topics I’d expect. John’s obsessive, meandering, sometimes distracted personality lives on at Mule, and I think this promises to be another great era in The Talk Show’s history. The good news for fans of John Gruber, is it doesn’t mark the end of The Talk Show. Nonetheless, Dan’s personality is unavoidably material to the mood and progression of these shows, so it’s safe to say that The Talk Show’s departure from 5by5 marks the end of an era. Dan does a great job at 5by5 of emphasizing that the star of each show is who makes the show what it is. Last week, John announced matter-of-factly that The Talk Show would no longer air on the 5by5 network, and would be joining the lineup at the fledgling Mule Radio Syndicate. I even had the pleasure of playing the star myself on one episode of Build & Analyze. I see The Talk Show’s format as the prototype for many other successful 5by5 podcasts: Dan plays the cool, somewhat disinterested straight-man to a “star,” whose own temperament, philosophies and interests ultimately define the show. After the initial success of The Talk Show, Dan threw the net wide, inviting folks such as Marco Arment, Andy Ihnatko, Merlin Mann, John Siracusa, Horace Dediu, and Jim Dalrymple to indulge audiences with their own personalities and areas of expertise. I didn’t listen to every episode, but I listened from the very beginning, before Dan had even founded the 5by5 network that later became its home. For the past few years, John Gruber and Dan Benjamin recorded an informal, off-the-cuff-seeming podcast called The Talk Show.
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